WebCT Accessibility Interest Group

Campus Information Technologies and Educational Services (CITES) and Disability Resources and Educational Services (DRES)

University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign

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Date: 2005-06-06

Time: 1:00 PM

Agenda

Date: Monday June 6 2005
Time: 1:00 - 2:00 CST (Chicago Local Time)
Phone: 217 265-6999

Suggested topics:

1. Update on Freedom Scientific answer regarding tabbing issue
2. Jeff's guidelines regarding WebCt online help
3. Categorization of accessibility problems; I will be sending the report later today.
4. Report about using Discussion module on new WebCT demo server


Thanks,
Hadi 

Minutes

Present:
David Schwarte, Purdue
Robert Dumas, WebCT
Phil Kragnes, Minnesota
Hadi Bargi Rangin, Illinois at Urbana/Champagin
Jon Gunderson, Illinois at Urbana/Champagin
Kim Wilson, Minnesota

1. Report on JAWS link navigation problem
RD: So FS is aware of the problem and WebCT are following up
with them
HR: What about Windows Eye?
PK: Not a problem
HR: Home Page Reader?
JG: Not sure

2. Jeff's guidelines regarding WebCT online help
RD: He wrote his help with a laymans point of view.  He wrote
it more from the instructors point of view and terminology.
KW: I liked the lack of Section 508 approach, and focusing
more on user needs
HR: How should we proceed?
PK: I think we should take an instrcutor approach, and include
coding examples.
The examples can be used by more programmers if they want the
technical details
RD: I corresponded to him off the list, about out technical
communiction groups
It seems the help files are so dry and technical, I have been
encouraging them to work with our tutorial/orkshop people.
The workshop people have more contact with end users and their
questions.
HR: I wish he was on-line and talk about his ideas
PK: When I set the standards here I took section 508 and W3C
and converted them into terms that developers here can use.
RD: That would be great.  I would like to show it to our
technical documentation people.
PK: Here is a link to our accessibility documents:
http://cap.umn.edu/ait

3. Categorization of accessibility problems;
RD: Most of the list is already in the cue to get fixed.
RD: Data tables, using TH.
PK: The use of the ID and HEADERS attribute
JK: Scope doesn't add alot of information
DS: SOme tables have more of a problem than others
RD: It is part of our design guidelines,
RD: The use of scripts to manipulate font size
DS: There are some spots in web pages and there are some hard
coded font sizes.  So it was difficutly with IE not being able
to change font sizes
RD: You need to use ignore font size accessibility feature
RD: We are trying to address this in future releases
HR: Modularization and consistency of navigation
RD: Creating different types of learning objects, and there
are two separate parts of code
KW: I am using 3.0, if you are in the build tab and there is a
go button.  If you go to teach there is the drop down, but no
go button.
RD: This is one of those weird user modeling issues.  All
interfaces all had the "go" button.  Many users gave a very
negative response.  Since you can turn on the menu, you don't
have to have the go button.  Management decided that
KW: Doesn't that add a frame.
RD: There are something I get back from ATRC that is confusing.
KW: Did they test with blindness?
RD: No. They test the previous version and the problems are
resolved in the next version.  They give us pure violations
and then other advisory information.  I always assumed they
did use all types of disability.  I have considered using
other sources of testing.  We have been with them 4 years.
HR: I would like to go back to my question on consistency
HR: In one of my previous jobs, we have to document the
funcitonalities and then send into the software development
team.  Hwn I use the software I am really confused.  I ame not
sure what I am eding.  There are so many inconsistencies.
COuld you tell me about the discussion module?
RD: Yes
HR: They are in charge of e-mail?
RD: I am not sure
HR: I cannot say if a problem ispart of which module, some
modules have headings, others do not.  Can there be guidelines
about the titling the modules, in terms of heading.
RD: I think thta was one of our earliest discussions.  I have
gone to all the create pages should have headers, this is in
our cue of things to do.
HR: The module for up loading a file us the same throughout?
RD: I assume so, but I anm not sure.
HR: It is hard for me to identify what part of the module this
problem should be referred to.
RD: I know that headers are not correctly implemented.
KW: How much of this stuff can be inlcuded in fixes?
RD: I depends on the amount of work.  I try to get them into
service packs or hot fixes.  I need to go to development to
find aout about how much work.
KW: It would be useful to me which problems will be available
through hot patches..
RD: Most you will need to wait until the next major release.
HR: The discussion list on the demo server, if you click on
accessibility issues there is alot of repeating titles.
PK: It might be a line of text and certain buttons that act on
that line of text.
HR: It might be that problems,
DS: The use of fieldset element might help to identify a group
of controls.
KW: The icons are very tiny and the ALT text cannot be viewed
in Netscape
RD: The graphical only controls have been removed.
HR: I will discuss this issue with you off line.
RD: I think it is a pull down menu issue.
HR: we also work with other companies, they ask us for smaple
code.  If we came up with some sample code, would that be
useful to WebCT.
JG: We could come up with some sample code.
HR: Are there any other issues?

RD: Dynamic menus?
JG: Please send dynamic menu information to the list

HR: Opening new content in a new window, what do people prefer?
PK: Separate windows allows for comparison of different windows
KW: Can you can open more than one at a time
PK: Is this something that should be coded into windows, or
should users use browser functions to open links into  new windows
RD: I am trying to cutout new windows opening automatically
HR: When you spawn a new window and it takes to long to open
and your session expires.
KW: We always tell people to edit text off line and then cut
and past it into WebCT
HR: What about responding to an e-mail.  When your are working
on a separate window, the session shouldn't time out.
RD: When there are several WebCT windows open, who does webCT
know when a session or a window timed out.
RD: I would like to attach something to make it clear that
this link will open a new window.

Next meeting July 11th at 1:00pm again.

Jon Gunderson, Ph.D., ATP

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